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Some choose to deliver in the hospital while others prefer to do so at home. A number utilize medications and interventions during pregnancy, and yet many would rather go the more ‘natural’ route. From sterilization techniques to birthing positions, support systems to labor-inducing strategies and beyond — there are countless combinations by which a new life could come into the world. Join Bella Yon and her guest, Emily Kennedy, in this edition of “Mothers 2B” as they explore personal experiences pertaining to this topic.5a:T750,ICYMI: RFK Jr.’s senate testimony “showcased the level of dysfunction in congress,” according to Mary Holland, Esq. As an audience member at the event, “It was hard to sit through.” Rather than asking legitimate, respectful questions and listening to the answers open-mindedly, many of the elected officials chose to “grandstand” and “showboat.” The attacks are coming in from all sides, to remove RFK Jr. from office and denigrate his character and legacy. And yet, he refuses to bend the knee and instead continues to stand strong. Plus, “This Week”: - HHS shows support for vaccine exemptions while New York schools refuse to - Florida joins other states in announcing an end to all immunization mandates - Shakeups are underway at the FDA - “Pfizer is on the hotseat” as Trump demands COVID shot data - New peer-reviewed paper released on gain-of-function research and spike protein dangers - Leaked CDC emails suggest attempt to control public perception - Myocarditis court case reopens - Petition calls for medical coding of vaccine injury - American Academy of Pediatrics criticized by Louisiana Surgeon General - Plan announced to report more efficiently on drug adverse reactions - “Misleading data” on and “concerning safety signals” for RSV monoclonal antibodies - NHS offers free chickenpox injections - Clinical data on pregnant women’s use of medications found to be lacking - Glass bottles may have more microplastics than their plastic counterparts Last but not least: Could military operations be behind the unnatural cooling of surface and air temperatures and subsequent extreme climate events across the nation? 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