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Since the year in which [liability was removed](https://www.congress.gov/bill/99th-congress/house-bill/5546) for victims of vaccine injury to sue the manufacturers, [rates of autism have skyrocketed](https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/autism-rate-increase-cdc/). The pharmaceutical industry, meanwhile, ignores and disparages the countless vaccine-injured children who have developed autism after receiving routine vaccination. For more than two decades, justice has been denied to them and their families. Nevertheless, the matter is far from settled, as Children’s Health Defense litigators continue fighting for the over 5,000 children in the [National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program](https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation) (NVICP) [Omnibus Autism Proceeding](https://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/omnibus-autism-proceeding) (OAP) and those millions of children they represent. Today, on ‘Good Morning CHD,’ panelists visit this weighty topic, sharing information from a legal angle on a recently-filed motion, alleging fraud against HHS/DOJ and the autism epidemic. Also...Life before getting her COVID injections and life after are strikingly different — This is Carolina, a woman who thought she was ‘doing the right thing’ and ‘protecting others’ when she went in for her Moderna shots. But in the end, Carolina sacrificed her own health and livelihood in the name of ‘science’ and ‘ethics,’ and has suffered intensely, as a result. She shares the details in this video on CHD.TV. 59:T714,While the nation celebrates World Autism Day, medical freedom advocates are [still seeking answers](https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/autism-increasing-cases-rise-united-states-cola/). Since the year in which [liability was removed](https://www.congress.gov/bill/99th-congress/house-bill/5546) for victims of vaccine injury to sue the manufacturers, [rates of autism have skyrocketed](https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/autism-rate-increase-cdc/). The pharmaceutical industry, meanwhile, ignores and disparages the countless vaccine-injured children who have developed autism after receiving routine vaccination. For more than two decades, justice has been denied to them and their families. Nevertheless, the matter is far from settled, as Children’s Health Defense litigators continue fighting for the over 5,000 children in the [National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program](https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation) (NVICP) [Omnibus Autism Proceeding](https://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/omnibus-autism-proceeding) (OAP) and those millions of children they represent. 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