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There are two more sessions we are sharing with our audience from the CHD “Moment of Truth” Conference that happened a few months ago. In this episode, viewers get the chance to watch “Breaking the Mainstream Media Measles Narrative” and “The Great Medical Awakening: From Captured Science to Independent Medicine.” Don’t miss out!59:T5c8,1. “The Neuroimmunology of Autism” — a new scientific paper published by CHD’s Science Department. In it, authors review current research on this neurological condition, but they do not just merely stay fixated on genetic determinism. They also discuss “epigenetics and chronic environmental toxic exposures,” which affect “the immune system [of] individuals with ASD.” There is light shed, also, on holistic, therapeutic modalities for treatment. It is written “for specialists and non-specialists to provide access to multi- and interdisciplinary perspectives with wide-ranging cutting-edge implications” and is sure to make a major impact on the understanding we have about this topic. Brian Hooker, Ph.D. shares the details. 2. After a long holiday break, congress reconvenes this week. And in 2026, many will be watching to see what happens with last year’s budgeting decisions that could affect legal immunity for pesticide manufacturers. Alexandra Muñoz Ph.D. joins today’s show to explain where we currently stand with this issue and why it matters. 3. There are two more sessions we are sharing with our audience from the CHD “Moment of Truth” Conference that happened a few months ago. In this episode, viewers get the chance to watch “Breaking the Mainstream Media Measles Narrative” and “The Great Medical Awakening: From Captured Science to Independent Medicine.” Don’t miss out!5a:Ta80,These are the individuals Secretary Kennedy was talking about — the 25% of autism cases deemed “level 3” or “severe” on the spectrum. They are the ones who may never speak, use the toilet, hold a job, get married, play sports or pay taxes. They are real. They do exist. Hear their stories, here, on CHD.TV. Then… The mainstream media has just about run themselves dry trying to push the measles narrative concerning West Texas Mennonite country, but there is a detail they have left out — something so important that to not tell it would be a tragedy. Featured today, on CHD.TV, are the stories of the vaccine-injured from this community. See below for summaries of their interviews. 1. “I didn't know any better” — With each round of shots, her twins’ health worsened, but she was not making the connection. At some point, they did medical testing to figure out what was wrong, but they all came back clear. Even the diagnosis they received seemed to be inaccurate. 2. They had him vaccinated according to the schedule, catching up on any that were missed along the way. And as time went on, Andrew started regressing in development. He went from being happy to inconsolable, laughing to crying, rolling over to throwing his head back. His mom and dad, who believe the shots are mainly to blame, encourage other parents to do the proper research before immunizing. 3. Developmental regression after immunization is a common theme among parents these days, but many doctors and public health officials either claim that these symptoms are “normal” or blame them on anything but the shots and encourage moms and dads to continue vaccinating. This woman has witnessed this, first-hand, with her own family. And if she could do it all over again, she would not have had her kids injected. 4. This woman not only contracted measles but also became severely disabled after MMR vaccination — a story the mainstream media won’t tell you. They would, instead, claim that she was just another “one in a million” child who had a life-altering adverse reaction while also continuing to tell parents to get their shots. As Elisa’s mother says, gesturing towards her daughter in the wheelchair, “They don't care about the kids. They just want to make money. They make the kids sick — like this.” 5. Ever since his 18-month shots, this Mennonite couple’s son has been experiencing nightly seizures and dealing with a whole host of behavioral and physical health issues. They went on to raise another child, immunization-free, who has none of the same symptoms as their first and now believe that vaccination, in their own words, “is not worth it.”5b:Tabf,These are the individuals Secretary Kennedy was talking about — the 25% of autism cases deemed “level 3” or “severe” on the spectrum. They are the ones who may never speak, use the toilet, hold a job, get married, play sports or pay taxes. They are real. They do exist. Hear their stories, here, on CHD.TV. Then… The mainstream media has just about run themselves dry trying to push the measles narrative concerning West Texas Mennonite country, but there is a detail they have left out — something so important that to not tell it would be a tragedy. Featured today, on CHD.TV, are the stories of the vaccine-injured from this community. See below for summaries of their interviews. 1. “I didn't know any better” — With each round of shots, her twins’ health worsened, but she was not making the connection. At some point, they did medical testing to figure out what was wrong, but they all came back clear. Even the diagnosis they received seemed to be inaccurate. 2. They had him vaccinated according to the schedule, catching up on any that were missed along the way. And as time went on, Andrew started regressing in development. He went from being happy to inconsolable, laughing to crying, rolling over to throwing his head back. His mom and dad, who believe the shots are mainly to blame, encourage other parents to do the proper research before immunizing. 3. Developmental regression after immunization is a common theme among parents these days, but many doctors and public health officials either claim that these symptoms are “normal” or blame them on anything but the shots and encourage moms and dads to continue vaccinating. This woman has witnessed this, first-hand, with her own family. And if she could do it all over again, she would not have had her kids injected. 4. This woman not only contracted measles but also became severely disabled after MMR vaccination — a story the mainstream media won’t tell you. They would, instead, claim that she was just another “one in a million” child who had a life-altering adverse reaction while also continuing to tell parents to get their shots. As Elisa’s mother says, gesturing towards her daughter in the wheelchair, “They don't care about the kids. They just want to make money. They make the kids sick — like this.” 5. Ever since his 18-month shots, this Mennonite couple’s son has been experiencing nightly seizures and dealing with a whole host of behavioral and physical health issues. They went on to raise another child, immunization-free, who has none of the same symptoms as their first and now believe that vaccination, in their own words, “is not worth it.”5c:T625,“The mainstream media wants to tell the narrative that this child died of measles, but that’s simply not the fact,” Mary Holland asserts. As she and Polly Tommey explain, news today is looking a lot more like a “propaganda vehicle” than a source for truthful reporting. Despite their ethical duty to be transparent and honest, unbiased and rational, journalists would rather put profits over people. They choose to ignorantly refuse to seek out and give a platform to dissenting viewpoints out of fear of losing funding, positive ratings and responses, power and prestige. 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